um, er, you know, you shouldn't, then that's it, that's it,

that's it, it's done, your career is done.

You know, look what happened to a member of this inquiry, right?

So you have to...

This is not the place to discuss those allegations. No, of course.

Mr Reeder, if you feel... Yeah.

You feel under pressure, am I right? Is that because of something that you know?

Yes, no, er, general pressure, I feel under a, a sort of,

just that, it's the jitters of work.

Who leaked the e-mail, Mr Reeder?

Glenn, er, Cullen.

Er, he was in DoSAC at the time,

and he, er, still had access to the e-mail, and he hated his life,

he, he, you know, he hated Nicola Murray because she'd previously

destroyed his chances of standing as an MP.

Most helpful, Glenn Cullen is our next witness.

Most interesting, thank you.

Oh, well, OK. That's fine, thank you.

Mr Cullen.

I wonder if I could start by taking you back to that time two years ago.

You left Nicola Murray, and you went to work for Fergus Williams.

Yes, yes I did, that's right.

And you found yourself in a coalition with the very party

that you opposed. That must have been extremely distressing.

Er, no, not at all, as a matter of fact. I was very invigorated

by the idea of, er, trying to forge a new way in politics.

Mm-hmm, so all was rosy?

Well, um, can't think of any negatives.

No friction?

No, the only F word was fun.

Thank you, Mr Cullen.

Mr Cullen.

Would you say there's a culture of leaking in the government?

Yes, I would. Yes, leaking and lying.

To your knowledge have any of your colleagues lied to this inquiry?

Well, I mean, that's a bit like asking, you know, um,