Mm-hmm, thank you. Er, well, Mr Reeder,

they say that in politics knowledge is power.

True, yes, although that doesn't mean that Carol Vorderman

should be Prime Minister!

Or should I say Stephen Fry, cos Carol's just maths, but yeah.

You've known Malcolm Tucker for, for some years now.

Yes, I have, yes.

He seems like a, an intimidating person. Is he?

Er, well, I mean not, not to me.

No?

No, er, no, er, no, although he doesn't,

he doesn't suffer fools gladly, I think that's fair to say,

or, um, or clever people, to be honest.

So he's never, er, bullied you?

Well, do I, do I look like I could be bullied by Mr Tucker?

I could... No.

Could you turn to tab nine?

You'll find it in your, in your folder there, yeah.

Um, we have some, er, some quotes here.

Some evidence from several civil servants who, who all

independently suggest that Mr Tucker, in fact, regularly did bully you.

"Mr Tucker threatened to remove Mr Reeder's appendix,

"throw away Mr Reeder,

"and appoint the useless flap of colon as special advisor."

Yeah.

Um... Well that's, yes!

That's banter.

"Mr Tucker told Mr Reeder that he would have him smothered,

"eviscerated, stuff, fitted with wheels, and donated to an orphanage."

That's, what... cos this is out of context,

what you don't have there is my reply.

And so, you know, it's just him. And what was that?

Er, well, I don't remember what it was on this occasion.

It would have been, but it would have been a, you know, kkk!

It would have been a zinger, because I gave as good as I got,

so it's not bullying. Very good.