that they were available, and that the picture editor knew where to find them.

Sorry, I'm just trying to... trying to get this clear.

Was Mrs Murray not the subject of huge derision as a result of this?

Er, no she was a subject of huge derision before this.

LAUGHTER

But it was...

You were, you were trying to undermine the leader of your party?

I was...

Would you say you were a loyal man, Mr Tucker?

I'm loyal, yes. I'm loyal to my party

and I feel that Mrs Murray's policies were turning the party into...

I don't know if you've seen those calendars with pictures of dogs that are dressed up in...

They've got little dresses and hats on?

She was turning my party into that, she was humiliating my party,

so I thought it was absolutely vital

to focus the public's attention onto that.

And yet you maintain that you had great, I don't know, what, respect for Mrs Murray as a person.

Yeah. Yes. She was a great laugh occasionally. Great dancer.

She's got terrific...hair. LAUGHTER

She did a good job at DoSAC.

A much better job than her successor, who, let's not forget,

was playing on a slide when the news of Mr Tickel's death came out.

Thank you, Mr Tucker, we're well versed in the events surrounding the death of Mr Tickel.

So tell me,

the PFI e-mail that led to the...to the resignation of Nicola Murray.

Did you... Did you engineer that?

Mr Tucker? No. No.

No, I didn't.

And, er, the leaking of Mr Tickel's health records?

I mean, do I detect your hand in that, for instance?

No. No, no, no, no, no.

Look, politics is a war, and politicians,

sometimes they lose ideological limbs. Right?

They get media shrapnel right in the face.

Sometimes they get a bullet right in the brain.

Civilians know there is no way that I would ever attack a civilian,